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[Dr. Buckie]

USBands Southern States Championship: Saturday, November 03 2012

LOCATION: UTC - Finley Stadium, 1826 Carter Street, Chattanooga, TN 37408

Lambert High School (Stampede) –Suwanee, GA VI Open
LaVergne High School - LaVergne, TN V Open
Munford High School - Munford, TN VI Open
River Ridge High School - Woodstock, GA IV Open
Arlington High School (TN) (Tiger Band) - Arlington, TN VI Open
Murphy High School – Murphy, NC I Open
Soddy Daisy High School - Soddy Daisy, TN V Open
North Laurel High School - London, KY IV A
Brentwood High School - Brentwood, TN V Open
Dobyns-Bennett High School - Kingsport, TN VI Open
Sullivan South High School - Kingsport, TN V Open
Barren County High School - Glasgow, KY IV Open
Chattahoochee High School - Johns Creek, GA IV Open
Woodland High School (GA) - Stockbridge, GA V Open
Evangelical Christian School - Cordova, TN I A
Corbin High School - Corbin, KY II A
Leeds High School - Leeds, AL III A
Florence High School - Florence, MS I Open
Woodstock High School - Woodstock, GA IV Open
Rockcastle County High School - Mount Vernon, KY I A
Cleveland High School - Cleveland, TN IV Open
South Laurel High School - London, KY I Open
Hart County High School - Munfordville, KY
Pulaski County High School - Somerset, KY III A
Charles D. Owen High School - Black Mountain, NC IV A
Cumberland County Schools - Burkesville, KY I A
George Walton High School - Monroe, GA VI Open
Forsyth Central High School - Cummings, GA VI Open
Sequoyah High School - Madisonville, TN II Open

Edited by Dr. Buckie, 22 October 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[Dan Balash]

Ah, USSBA: Where everyone scores above an 85. Woohoo!

[DrBeat73]

I think we may see several Kentucky bands come home as class champions in this one!

[Fan in the Stands]

I'm confused by this list. How many classes are there?

The most exciting thing about the list is that Cleveland TN is on it.

[Maroon Band Alum]

I am looking forward to seeing my alma mater Pulaski County perform at this show. I hope that they bring home their third straight class championship title.

[formerbulldog]

If I'm correct USSBA has 12 classes. They have a 1 A / 1 Open...all the way through 6 A and 6 Open!

[guardcorpsguy]

That is correct. ^ groups with two division in each an A division which is less competitive and an Open Division which is more competitive.

[WGIFAN]

What's the difference in "A" and open?

[Maroon Band Alum]

Open Class bands typically have more staff, resources, etc than A class bands. Otherwise classification is based on band size.

[DrBeat73]

The schedule is FINALLY up....

11:45 AM National Anthem
11:49 AM Performing Unit : Rockcastle County High School (Mount Vernon, KY) 12:06 PM Performing Unit : Cumberland County Schools (Burkesville, KY) 12:23 PM Performing Unit : Evangelical Christian School ECS (Cordova, TN) 12:40 PM Performing Unit : Hart County High School (Munfordville, KY) 12:57 PM Performing Unit : Corbin High School (Corbin, KY)
01:14 PM Performing Unit : South Laurel High School Cardinals (London, KY) 01:31 PM Performing Unit : Leeds High School (Leeds, AL)
01:48 PM Performing Unit : Pulaski County High School (KY) Maroons (Somerset, KY) 02:05 PM Performing Unit : North Laurel High School Marching Jaguars (London, KY) 02:22 PM Intermission
02:37 PM Performing Unit : Florence High School Big Red Band (Florence, MS) 02:54 PM Performing Unit : Murphy High School (Murphy, NC) 03:11 PM Performing Unit : Sequoyah High School (TN) (Madisonville, TN) 03:28 PM Performing Unit : Charles D. Owen High School (Black Mountain, NC) 03:45 PM Performing Unit : Cleveland High School (Cleveland, TN) 04:02 PM Performing Unit : Woodstock High School (Woodstock, GA) 04:19 PM Performing Unit : Barren County High School (Glasgow, KY) 04:36 PM Performing Unit : River Ridge High School (Woodstock, GA) 04:53 PM Intermission
05:18 PM Performing Unit : Woodland High School (GA) Wolfpack Marching Band (Stockbridge, GA)
05:35 PM Performing Unit : Sullivan South High School Rebel Band (Kingsport, TN) 05:52 PM Performing Unit : Brentwood High School (TN) (Brentwood, TN) 06:09 PM Performing Unit : Soddy Daisy High School (Soddy Daisy, TN) 06:26 PM Performing Unit : LaVergne High School (LaVergne, TN) 06:43 PM Performing Unit : Forsyth Central High School (Cummings, GA) 07:00 PM Performing Unit : George Walton High School Bulldog Band (Monroe, GA) 07:17 PM Performing Unit : Chattahoochee High School (GA) The Cougars (Johns Creek, GA)
07:34 PM Performing Unit : Dobyns-Bennett High School (Kingsport, TN) 07:51 PM Performing Unit : Arlington High School (TN) Tiger Band (Arlington, TN) 08:08 PM Performing Unit : Munford High School (Munford, TN) 08:25 PM Performing Unit : Lambert High School Stampede (Suwanee, GA) 08:55 PM All Awards

Edited by DrBeat73, 29 October 2012 - 08:07 PM.

[Dr. Buckie]

Good showing tonight for our Kentucky Bands...

1st Place Class 1A Cumberland County (82.05)
2nd Place Class 1A Rockcastle High (79.75)

1st Place Class 2A Corbin High (85.8)
2nd Place Class 2A Hart County (84.475)

1st Place Class 3A South Laurel (83.125)
2nd Place Class 3A Pulaski County (81.65)

1st Place Class 4A North Laurel (84.65)

1st Place Class 4 Open Barren County (91.425)

Way to represent....

[Tim]

Wait... Hart County only 1 point behind Corbin? Hmm.

Congrats to the Kentucky bands for sweeping every award they were eligible for. That's impressive.

[Fan in the Stands]

Tim, on 04 November 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Wait... Hart County only 1 point behind Corbin?

That actually sounds about right.

If Lafayette had gone to this would they have hit 98?

[musikjunkie05]

That hardly sounds right at all, actually.

[Dan Balash]

musikjunkie05, on 04 November 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

That hardly sounds right at all, actually.

When the top 5 groups at 2011 "National Championships" in Group 6 score 95+, yeah, that's about right.

(For the record, Central Crossing, who was 5th at 95.563, scored a 55.80 at the BOA Pontiac regional on 10/8.)

[Fan in the Stands]

musikjunkie05, on 04 November 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

That hardly sounds right at all, actually.

Why is that? I know comparing scores in prelims and finals is kinda difficult but Boyle only beat Hart by 1.8 at KMEA finals yet they beat Corbin by 4.45 earlier on the same day. Not the best measure but I'd say Corbin and Hart were on the same level then with Corbin pulling ahead in a week.

[deepblu]

Boyle dropped from an 86.7 to a 78.5 in finals. Garrard dropped some but Adair and Bourbon stayed in the same range. That 86 was their only distinguished all year. I think using that score to compare Hart and Corbin is not very reasonable...it seems like an outlier when looking at the entire season. The more interesting thing with these scores:
Cumberland County only 3 points behind Corbin
South Laurel less than 2 points behind North
Rockcastle only 6 points behind Corbin...they were 18 points behind them at semis the week before and at quarterfinals. Rockcastle has made great improvements, but I highly doubt that much in a week.

Bottom line, different circuit, different, sheets, different judges, and obviously different scoring standards. Comparing these scores to KMEA is worse than comparnig apples and oranges...it's like comparing apples and christmas scented candles...they aren't remotely the same thing.

[formerbulldog]

Fan in the Stands, on 04 November 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

That actually sounds about right.

If Lafayette had gone to this would they have hit 98?

They would have hit 99.99

[ToySoldierDad]

This is my 1st post on these forums, so, hello!!

I have been fortunate to see several KY bands this year, as we traveled to MCI and Southern States this year. I have nothing but positive things to say about all of the bands from KY. Not just the bands, but chaperones and parents as well.
Down here in TN, KY bands are known to be very good. Yes, our scoring system down here is completely different than just about anyone else's. There is absolutely no way to speculate what a score would be from state to state, especially here. TN is atleast 20 years behind where it should be. Just a disfunctional mess if you ask me, lol. We are classed differently as well. I believe KY bands are classed on school size, where we are classed on number of woodwinds. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Although my Senior marched her last competition Saturday, I have a Sophomore as well, and look forward to seeing KY bands in the future!! All of you guys definitely know how to "Rock the House"!!!

[RCHSDrumMajor]

I can honestly say with a performance like this Rockcastle did not deserve the score they got.

I don't know about the other Kentucky bands but I was talking to Corbin's instructors and they said they did extremely horrible and was surprised that they scored as high as they did.

I'm not complaining though, this was a giant boost for the Rockcastle Marchers that they really need; the scores may not be realistic, but, most of the students don't realize the difference and it makes going to Tennessee worth their while to bring back a near distinguished score.

[formerbulldog]

To the above, it is not just that they were in Tennessee, it is the USBands scoring system. In their Championships Wagner TX scored a 97.288, Immaculata, NJ scored a 96.587....so they are inflated all around. I highly doubt either of these schools would have been in Finals for BOA. Tis why I like BOA they do not inflate the scores to candycoat things. I didn't watch the above video, but I can say that while I may not always agree with the results, they usually get it right.

[BugleB]

I don't understand what the big deal is about a specific number. When you're talking about the end of the season, does it really matter that the top bands at a contest scored in the upper 90s? When it's the last show of the season for many (if not, all) of the bands involved, the primary job of the judging panel is to rank the bands. As long as they get them in a correct order with an appropriate spread, WHO CARES!!!!! Do you think that 10 years from now any kid in Band XYZ will remember that they scored a 96.875 at the USBands contest in Chattanooga? No! Will they remember that they won their class......You bet.

[Fan in the Stands]

BugleB, on 04 December 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

I don't understand what the big deal is about a specific number. When you're talking about the end of the season, does it really matter that the top bands at a contest scored in the upper 90s? When it's the last show of the season for many (if not, all) of the bands involved, the primary job of the judging panel is to rank the bands. As long as they get them in a correct order with an appropriate spread, WHO CARES!!!!! Do you think that 10 years from now any kid in Band XYZ will remember that they scored a 96.875 at the USBands contest in Chattanooga? No! Will they remember that they won their class......You bet.

They will remember the score I would bet. I remember my highest scores from high school and some of them were ridiculous. Giving a bad band a score in the upper 80s to mid 90s does nothing but hurt our activity as it says, "what you are doing is wonderful, keep it up." Though in most circuits the same band would find themselves scoring in the upper 60s or worse and getting mad about it because they did "so well" at the end of the previous season and they "know" they are better now.

[Mclovin]

Fan in the Stands, on 04 December 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

They will remember the score I would bet. I remember my highest scores from high school and some of them were ridiculous. Giving a bad band a score in the upper 80s to mid 90s does nothing but hurt our activity as it says, "what you are doing is wonderful, keep it up." Though in most circuits the same band would find themselves scoring in the upper 60s or worse and getting mad about it because they did "so well" at the end of the previous season and they "know" they are better now.

I'll have to agree with TJ, I am all for judges using positive comments on their tapes and on the score sheets, but give realistic scores. That's the only way you can see groups make improvements from week to week or year to year, in my opinion. Receiving comments from judges that praises the kids on how they are trying, but still make sure that improvements need to be made and how to make them. I believe that the more realistic the score is, the better the bands can benefit in terms of how they improve.

[Dan Balash]

BugleB, on 04 December 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

I don't understand what the big deal is about a specific number. When you're talking about the end of the season, does it really matter that the top bands at a contest scored in the upper 90s? When it's the last show of the season for many (if not, all) of the bands involved, the primary job of the judging panel is to rank the bands. As long as they get them in a correct order with an appropriate spread, WHO CARES!!!!! Do you think that 10 years from now any kid in Band XYZ will remember that they scored a 96.875 at the USBands contest in Chattanooga? No! Will they remember that they won their class......You bet.

Champaign Central from Illinois attended the 2007 USSBA National Championships. Now, they're a decent to mediocre band, probably low 2nd tier/high 3rd tier of bands in Illinois. They scored an 88.975, good for 15th place in their class, which was also last place. Nazareth Area from Pennsylvania scored a 97.575 to win the class that year.

Three thoughts:
1.) 9 points separating 15 bands? Sorry, but no.
2.) Central's highest score that year was a 70.48, one month prior at U of I (5 judge Olympic system, which is now thankfully gone.) There's absolutely no way Central gained 16 points for the amount they rehearse. (~5 hours/week, and an occasional Saturday.)
3.) What would a Broken Arrow/L.D. Bell/Avon/Marian/Carmel/Marcus score if they were to attend a USBands event?